Or you could use a euphimism - like Britney Spears does in her song title 'If You Seek Amy'
Joe Grundy
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I know its really naughty but...
by wary incan you say the word [moderator edit] on this site.. its so funny it laugh so much!!!!!.
wary.
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Apolgies
by Joe Grundy ini have just re-read a couple of my postings - no, the apolgy is not for being narcissistic!.
i hope i have made it clear throughout my postings here that while never a jw, i have intense sympathy, empathy and concern for those who have suffered, and continue to suffer, from this bullying and corrupt (imho) quasi-religion.
i hope that on occasion an 'outsider's' view may be helpful.. .
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And now I note that I can't even spell my thread title correctly!
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Apolgies
by Joe Grundy ini have just re-read a couple of my postings - no, the apolgy is not for being narcissistic!.
i hope i have made it clear throughout my postings here that while never a jw, i have intense sympathy, empathy and concern for those who have suffered, and continue to suffer, from this bullying and corrupt (imho) quasi-religion.
i hope that on occasion an 'outsider's' view may be helpful.. .
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I have just re-read a couple of my postings - no, the apolgy is not for being narcissistic!
I hope I have made it clear throughout my postings here that while never a JW, I have intense sympathy, empathy and concern for those who have suffered, and continue to suffer, from this bullying and corrupt (IMHO) quasi-religion. I hope that on occasion an 'outsider's' view may be helpful.
I have what at times may be described as an 'odd' 'quirky' or just 'weird' sense of humour and sometimes I post things that could be offensive if taken the wrong way.
I just wanted to say that I have no intention to offend or to belittle or minimalise the pain, suffering and horror of those who have experienced the effects of this evil religion, and I hope that members will take them in the spirit in which they are intended.
And if I do cause offence, please tell me and I will try to be more thoughtful.
Thanks.
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Paradise Won't Be "Instant"
by cameo-d ini have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
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More idle thoughts, and off-topic, I'm afraid (but linked with my thoughts of 18 year old nubiles) - does anyone else get lots of ads popping up for dating sites?
So far I have had 'Muslim matrimonials' 'Iranian matchmaking' 'East European Friends' 'Asian Lovelies' and quite a few more. Oh, and greek-language game-playing sites (a bit more understandable).
For the record, if I can register preferences, south-east asian ladies do it for me. I have (or may not have, we shall see) a Thai girlfriend to whom I am 'faithful' in a LDR and until that is resolved I don't need temptations, thanks. I am, after all, worldly and we are known for not being able to resist temptation.
BTW, in the new paradise, do you stay where you are when it hit, or can you move around a bit. Thailand would be my choice, if it is possible to express one.
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Paradise Won't Be "Instant"
by cameo-d ini have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
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Farkel:
Thanks for this. Are there any prophecies about what the age for marriage/procreation will be?
Just thinking (idly) that WT is a USA-based religion, and there are so many variations in the age of consent/marriage across the US, I wonder whether the GB have sat down and tought about this - and if so, to be crude, did they have boxes of Kleenex at hand?
I'm surprised that the dubs don't focus on this more as a selling point.
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Paradise Won't Be "Instant"
by cameo-d ini have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
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20 Billion? They must be joking!
I have recently been reading various reports expressing concern about the world population reaching 8 or 9 billion, and the problems which will arise because of food, energy and water resources.
An example: I live on an island with a population (probably) of less than I million. As recently as a few months ago our reservoirs were (well) below 10% capacity. We had mains water about 33% of the time, other parts of the island were not so lucky. We have had an unusually 'wet' winter, so we're up to about 20% capacity and mains water most days. But we have to build another desalination plant, which runs on (oil-powered) electricity.
And this is a (theoretically at least) 'first world' country and part of the EU.
I accept, of course, that in the 'fantasyland' that is JW doctrine everything may be perfect. But (as always) selectively (and corruptly, IMHO) quoting scientific or pseudo-scientific stuff to try and predict and support their fantasies is dishonest.
Better they just say 'the paradise fairy will ensure everything will be wonderful'. And you know what? I doubt that many convinced, or scared, or brainwashed, or apathetic dubs would challenge them.
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Paradise Won't Be "Instant"
by cameo-d ini have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
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Thanks for the info.
I am just thinking about how different I was between the ages of 25 and 33, and now. And I don't think I want to be angel-like thanks.
And procreation will be a la Huxley's 'Brave New World'. Or perhaps there won't be any and the population of paradise will be limited to 6-7 million. That should be interesting, especially if there is no mechanised transport. Small isolated communities with little contact with each other. I wonder if there may be a danger that they may start/adapt/revise their own religions? The whole thing could start all over again ...
It seems strange to me as an outsider that as a particularly eschatological religion the dubs haven't got down to detail on this.
SBF: I have often found that one man's 'perfection' is another man's 'pedantic'. Just imagine spending eternity (or even 1000 years) in a community of pedants.
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Paradise Won't Be "Instant"
by cameo-d ini have heard that "paradise" will be achieved gradually; that it will take all of the thousand years to reach that state of perfection.. .
now, while you may be convinced that it will take all that time to bring the earth back to it's pristine state....suppose it applies to humans as well?.
imagine this scenerio: wounds and broken bones heal slowly and gradually; your bags and sags are still there, but since you have seen results of other people, you hang on that the promise will be for you, too.
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Could someone clarify something for me please?
I understand (I think) the JW teaching that after Armageddon (most) dubs will live for ever in the new paradise. But what age will they be? The same age as they were at Armageddon, or some 'ideal age'?
Also, I think, in the new paradise there will be procreation. In the world now there are varying ages for marriage. As low as 13 in some parts of the US, I understand, probably lower than that in some cultures, and higher than that in others. I guess that some members of all these cultures are dubs. So in the new paradise will the age for procreation depend on your previous culture and practice or will a new 'across the board' age be set?
Just idle thoughts.
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wife asked me a good question about control mechanism of DFing.....
by oompa inwhen i told her i would never go back and meetings make me sick, i mentioned how df was a control mechanism meant to keep people in the org.......and that was when i told her i really dont want to be df'd.
i prob should have said it was used to keep people in line....actually should have never told her what i thought df was.......cause the conversation was already bad....... but she asked "why would the gb use it or view it as a "control mechanism?
" what would be their motive?...i have always been taught it is just the bibles way of keeping the cong.
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Joe Grundy
'The primary reason for disfellowshipping is to "keep the congregation clean." That's code for keeping the unbelieving
one or the one practicing actions against WT policy from affecting the congregation members- taking them out with him.'I never was a JW, and now I'm an atheist.
Considering this logically (and perhaps 'logic' and 'JW' should not appear in the same sentence) IF the JWs were the one true religion, under the protection of an omniscient and all-powerful god, directed on earth by some 'chosen ones' with direct comms with said god, why should they be scared that some individual with an enquiring mind could taint them?
Their writings say that god can and did strike people down at will (though apparently he got a bit more liberal in later years) so what have they got to fear? There were 'striking downs' in the NT, and even here in Paphos Jesus Barabbas allegedly got blinded in a show-down with Saul/Paul.
On the basis that their god could instantly kill/make dumb/whatever anyone who was a threat I think that they're displaying a lack of faith in their own teachings.
Oh, and when things go wrong or get difficult, don't the hierarchy teach that god is testing them and 'tempering them in the fire of faith'? Couldn't letting some thinkers and questioners loose among the 'faithful' be seen in the same (new) light?
Perhaps the D/F practice is all about control, after all. I like the analogy quoted about the schoolkids choosing to exclude just one kid.
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WTF? Anyone else get this?
by AWAKE&WATCHING ingot this in a pm about three days ago so sorry if it's been discussed.
from: scott williams., .
country: ivory coast .
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Joe Grundy
It's a '419' scam.
Try www.scambuster419.co.uk/ and many other similar sites for more info (and a good laugh).